Vista System Backup causes system failure

[Lambi000]

I started getting random shutdowns for no reason. I finally was able to
narrow down the problem to the automatic system backup I had going on and can
duplicate this problem on demand. If I create a manual system restore point
on my system (C:) drive and attempt to restart the system, I will have to
reboot repeatedly until I get to the screen that tells me the system cannot
start and attempts to repair the system. At that point I am back to the
point I was before the system backup. I have no system backup because every
time I try to create one, the system will no longer boot up until I do the
system repair. I have tried to find a solution to this problem and haven't
seen anything like this. My guess, some sort of virus that my stuff isn't
picking up. But it's been happening for three months now and it doesn't make
sense. Except I can duplicate the problem on demand. What's your guess?

[Jim]

On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:57:03 -0700, Lambi000

Post by Lambi000
I started getting random shutdowns for no reason. I finally was able to
narrow down the problem to the automatic system backup I had going on and can
duplicate this problem on demand. If I create a manual system restore point
on my system (C:) drive and attempt to restart the system, I will have to
reboot repeatedly until I get to the screen that tells me the system cannot
start and attempts to repair the system. At that point I am back to the
point I was before the system backup. I have no system backup because every
time I try to create one, the system will no longer boot up until I do the
system repair. I have tried to find a solution to this problem and haven't
seen anything like this. My guess, some sort of virus that my stuff isn't
picking up. But it's been happening for three months now and it doesn't make
sense. Except I can duplicate the problem on demand. What's your guess?

Random shutdowns "can be" overheating problems .

[Lambi000]

Hi Jim,

That was the first thing I thought of too. But since I can absolutely
(without fail) recreate the problem when I do a system backup on my C: (main
system) drive I ruled out that possibility. The other two (virtual) drives
were doing automatic system backups and the C: drive was attempting to do one
as well, which is why I thought the shutdowns were random. I never realized
that I had that automatic backup switched on. Now no drives are doing
backups and the laptop has not shut down at all. However, I still can't do a
system backup on my main C: drive without problems. Any other thoughts?

Lorna

Post by Jim
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:57:03 -0700, Lambi000

Post by Lambi000
I started getting random shutdowns for no reason. I finally was able to
narrow down the problem to the automatic system backup I had going on and can
duplicate this problem on demand. If I create a manual system restore point
on my system (C:) drive and attempt to restart the system, I will have to
reboot repeatedly until I get to the screen that tells me the system cannot
start and attempts to repair the system. At that point I am back to the
point I was before the system backup. I have no system backup because every
time I try to create one, the system will no longer boot up until I do the
system repair. I have tried to find a solution to this problem and haven't
seen anything like this. My guess, some sort of virus that my stuff isn't
picking up. But it's been happening for three months now and it doesn't make
sense. Except I can duplicate the problem on demand. What's your guess?

Random shutdowns "can be" overheating problems .
.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Lambi000
Hi Jim,
That was the first thing I thought of too. But since I can absolutely
(without fail) recreate the problem when I do a system backup on my C: (main
system) drive I ruled out that possibility. The other two (virtual) drives
were doing automatic system backups and the C: drive was attempting to do one
as well, which is why I thought the shutdowns were random. I never realized
that I had that automatic backup switched on. Now no drives are doing
backups and the laptop has not shut down at all. However, I still can't do a
system backup on my main C: drive without problems. Any other thoughts?

You are confusing me. You seem to be using the terms "system backup" and
"restore point" interchangeably, but they are not the same thing by a
long shot.

And you say "system backup on my main C: drive". But you aren't trying
to backup the drive onto itself, are you? That would surely cause a
problem, if the backup program then tries to backup the backup file
you're creating...as in "infinite loop". Not to mention that that's
hardly a safe place to store a backup...

You also say "the other two (virtual) drives were doing automatic system
backups". Now what does it mean to say a *drive* is doing a backup? In
reality, *programs* do backups of drives. Again, hopefully, to a
separate drive.

Post by Lambi000
Lorna

Post by Jim
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:57:03 -0700, Lambi000

Post by Lambi000
I started getting random shutdowns for no reason. I finally was able to
narrow down the problem to the automatic system backup I had going on and can
duplicate this problem on demand. If I create a manual system restore point
on my system (C:) drive and attempt to restart the system, I will have to
reboot repeatedly until I get to the screen that tells me the system cannot
start and attempts to repair the system. At that point I am back to the
point I was before the system backup. I have no system backup because every
time I try to create one, the system will no longer boot up until I do the
system repair. I have tried to find a solution to this problem and haven't
seen anything like this. My guess, some sort of virus that my stuff isn't
picking up. But it's been happening for three months now and it doesn't make
sense. Except I can duplicate the problem on demand. What's your guess?

Random shutdowns "can be" overheating problems .
.

[Lambi000]

Sorry, I've always been bad with buzzwords.....to me a restore point is a
backup so I use that term so as not to confuse myself. Didn't mean to
confuse everybody.

I am talking about creating system restore points, not an actual backup like
backing up a drive kind of thing.

OK, so back to system restore points. I can create them for my D: virtual
drive. When I create one for the C: drive (which contains the Vista system
files) the laptop goes down , cannot be rebooted immediately until it forces
me to do a System Repair, which brings me back to having no system restore
point for drive C:. I can duplicate this consistently....it always happens.

Ever since I shut off the automatic System Protection, I have had no random
shutdowns. Nonetheless, I would like to have a restore point for my C: drive
and would like to know why I am having a problem.

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by Lambi000
Hi Jim,
That was the first thing I thought of too. But since I can absolutely
(without fail) recreate the problem when I do a system backup on my C: (main
system) drive I ruled out that possibility. The other two (virtual) drives
were doing automatic system backups and the C: drive was attempting to do one
as well, which is why I thought the shutdowns were random. I never realized
that I had that automatic backup switched on. Now no drives are doing
backups and the laptop has not shut down at all. However, I still can't do a
system backup on my main C: drive without problems. Any other thoughts?

You are confusing me. You seem to be using the terms "system backup" and
"restore point" interchangeably, but they are not the same thing by a
long shot.
And you say "system backup on my main C: drive". But you aren't trying
to backup the drive onto itself, are you? That would surely cause a
problem, if the backup program then tries to backup the backup file
you're creating...as in "infinite loop". Not to mention that that's
hardly a safe place to store a backup...
You also say "the other two (virtual) drives were doing automatic system
backups". Now what does it mean to say a *drive* is doing a backup? In
reality, *programs* do backups of drives. Again, hopefully, to a
separate drive.

Post by Lambi000
Lorna

Post by Jim
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:57:03 -0700, Lambi000

Post by Lambi000
I started getting random shutdowns for no reason. I finally was able to
narrow down the problem to the automatic system backup I had going on and can
duplicate this problem on demand. If I create a manual system restore point
on my system (C:) drive and attempt to restart the system, I will have to
reboot repeatedly until I get to the screen that tells me the system cannot
start and attempts to repair the system. At that point I am back to the
point I was before the system backup. I have no system backup because every
time I try to create one, the system will no longer boot up until I do the
system repair. I have tried to find a solution to this problem and haven't
seen anything like this. My guess, some sort of virus that my stuff isn't
picking up. But it's been happening for three months now and it doesn't make
sense. Except I can duplicate the problem on demand. What's your guess?

Random shutdowns "can be" overheating problems .
.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
.

[Gene E. Bloch]

Post by Lambi000
Sorry, I've always been bad with buzzwords.....to me a restore point is a
backup so I use that term so as not to confuse myself. Didn't mean to
confuse everybody.

Incorrect terminology is not a good idea...as you have seen :-)

Post by Lambi000
I am talking about creating system restore points, not an actual backup like
backing up a drive kind of thing.

OK.

Post by Lambi000
OK, so back to system restore points. I can create them for my D: virtual
drive. When I create one for the C: drive (which contains the Vista system
files) the laptop goes down , cannot be rebooted immediately until it forces
me to do a System Repair, which brings me back to having no system restore
point for drive C:. I can duplicate this consistently....it always happens.

What's a virtual drive? If you mean a file containing an image of some
hard drive or CD, I can't even imagine how you could create a restore
point on it, and if you did, I could imagine that it would screw up your
Windows System Restore every time...especially if your virtual drive is
a file on the C: drive.

Post by Lambi000
Ever since I shut off the automatic System Protection, I have had no random
shutdowns. Nonetheless, I would like to have a restore point for my C: drive
and would like to know why I am having a problem.

What is "automatic System Protection"? Google and Windows Help aren't
telling me anything.

Post by Lambi000

Post by Gene E. Bloch

Post by Lambi000
Hi Jim,
That was the first thing I thought of too. But since I can absolutely
(without fail) recreate the problem when I do a system backup on my C: (main
system) drive I ruled out that possibility. The other two (virtual) drives
were doing automatic system backups and the C: drive was attempting to do one
as well, which is why I thought the shutdowns were random. I never realized
that I had that automatic backup switched on. Now no drives are doing
backups and the laptop has not shut down at all. However, I still can't do a
system backup on my main C: drive without problems. Any other thoughts?

You are confusing me. You seem to be using the terms "system backup" and
"restore point" interchangeably, but they are not the same thing by a
long shot.
And you say "system backup on my main C: drive". But you aren't trying
to backup the drive onto itself, are you? That would surely cause a
problem, if the backup program then tries to backup the backup file
you're creating...as in "infinite loop". Not to mention that that's
hardly a safe place to store a backup...
You also say "the other two (virtual) drives were doing automatic system
backups". Now what does it mean to say a *drive* is doing a backup? In
reality, *programs* do backups of drives. Again, hopefully, to a
separate drive.

Post by Lambi000
Lorna

Post by Jim
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 17:57:03 -0700, Lambi000

Post by Lambi000
I started getting random shutdowns for no reason. I finally was able to
narrow down the problem to the automatic system backup I had going on and can
duplicate this problem on demand. If I create a manual system restore point
on my system (C:) drive and attempt to restart the system, I will have to
reboot repeatedly until I get to the screen that tells me the system cannot
start and attempts to repair the system. At that point I am back to the
point I was before the system backup. I have no system backup because every
time I try to create one, the system will no longer boot up until I do the
system repair. I have tried to find a solution to this problem and haven't
seen anything like this. My guess, some sort of virus that my stuff isn't
picking up. But it's been happening for three months now and it doesn't make
sense. Except I can duplicate the problem on demand. What's your guess?

Random shutdowns "can be" overheating problems .
.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
.

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it's been a while after you post this guss, unfortunately i came up with the similar proble like yours, but there is a slight difference, that was my computer auto power-off every two hours. realy annlying, i do really have a moment that i want to throug my PC out of my bedroom window. However, i finnally reinstalled my os, and now i hired a backup software to do system backup for me on every friday. this may could serve as a advice for people who drop in the same boat with me, here is an article tutorial http://www.backup-utility.com/features/schedule-backup.html