VISTA SP1

If you are not having any problems don't worry about it because it may cause
problems.

Post by vivienrose
My laptop will be 2 years old this August, I upgraded to 32 bit Vista Home
Premium, I still have not received the SP1 I do have McAfee. After reading
previous posts do you think this is a problem. Help!!!!

ahmad12

2008-04-24 23:20:16 UTC

Post by Mark
If you are not having any problems don't worry about it because it may cause
problems.

I don't think so, it is recommended to install SP1 because it has a
performance and security improvements.

--
ahmad12

Mark

2008-04-24 23:36:30 UTC

When SP1 is not offered via Windows Update there is usually a reason why.

Post by ahmad12

Post by Mark
If you are not having any problems don't worry about it because it may cause
problems.

I don't think so, it is recommended to install SP1 because it has a
performance and security improvements.
--
ahmad12

Milt

2008-04-24 23:29:31 UTC

I've always found McAfee to be a problem.

Charles W Davis

2008-04-24 23:49:06 UTC

Post by vivienrose
My laptop will be 2 years old this August, I upgraded to 32 bit Vista
Home Premium, I still have not received the SP1 I do have McAfee. After
reading previous posts do you think this is a problem. Help!!!!

I've always found McAfee to be a problem.

McAfee should be either disabled or uninstalled before attempting to install
SP1. It and Norton have never adequately addressed the Vista architecture
and eventually become problems.

Grey

2008-04-28 21:21:58 UTC

Post by vivienrose
My laptop will be 2 years old this August, I upgraded to 32 bit Vista
Home Premium, I still have not received the SP1 I do have McAfee.
After reading previous posts do you think this is a problem. Help!!!!

I've always found McAfee to be a problem.

McAfee should be either disabled or uninstalled before attempting to
install SP1. It and Norton have never adequately addressed the Vista
architecture and eventually become problems.

I know Nortons is crap. It has been known since 2005 but I have Mcafee on my
32 bit Business Edition Vista (doesn't work on 64 bit ultimate) and had it
installed pre SP1 and it remains installed after SP1 with no problems
occurring.

Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM

2008-05-01 04:25:34 UTC

Post by vivienrose
My laptop will be 2 years old this August, I upgraded to 32 bit Vista
Home Premium, I still have not received the SP1 I do have McAfee.
After reading previous posts do you think this is a problem. Help!!!!

I've always found McAfee to be a problem.

McAfee should be either disabled or uninstalled before attempting to
install SP1. It and Norton have never adequately addressed the Vista
architecture and eventually become problems.

I know Nortons is crap. It has been known since 2005 but I have Mcafee on
my 32 bit Business Edition Vista (doesn't work on 64 bit ultimate) and had
it installed pre SP1 and it remains installed after SP1 with no problems
occurring.

Yet.

--
Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM
Do not reply with email

Bob W

2008-05-01 05:04:15 UTC

Yes, it's a problem. No, it's a not a big one. Before you run the Update, just go into McAfee and turn everything you can find OFF - select the "off until restart" option. That' it. Run the update. It will take about 2 hours and several reboots. All automatic. You will tempted to touch your computer during the long periods of seeming nothingness. Resist this urge. Do not look at computer. Go away. Do something else for several hours. Get laid. If you are like most men, for two hours, get laid about 18 times! Hey, the latest study says 3 to 13 minutes is optimal! I kid you not!

Anyway, just let it do it's thing. Mine took about 2-1/2 hours total - after I tuned McAfee off. Went just fine.
Bob, Still Old, Still Grey, And Still A Woolf

No trees were harmed in the sending of this message and a very large number of electrons were asked their permission to be terribly inconvenienced. And a party was thrown for them afterwards for being really cool about it.

Bob's Space - Home Page of the Olde Greywoolf

Post by vivienrose
My laptop will be 2 years old this August, I upgraded to 32 bit Vista
Home Premium, I still have not received the SP1 I do have McAfee.
After reading previous posts do you think this is a problem. Help!!!!

I've always found McAfee to be a problem.

McAfee should be either disabled or uninstalled before attempting to
install SP1. It and Norton have never adequately addressed the Vista
architecture and eventually become problems.

I know Nortons is crap. It has been known since 2005 but I have Mcafee on
my 32 bit Business Edition Vista (doesn't work on 64 bit ultimate) and had
it installed pre SP1 and it remains installed after SP1 with no problems
occurring.

Yet.

--
Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM
Do not reply with email

Grey

2008-05-04 13:22:56 UTC

Post by vivienrose
My laptop will be 2 years old this August, I upgraded to 32 bit Vista
Home Premium, I still have not received the SP1 I do have McAfee.
After reading previous posts do you think this is a problem.
Help!!!!

I've always found McAfee to be a problem.

McAfee should be either disabled or uninstalled before attempting to
install SP1. It and Norton have never adequately addressed the Vista
architecture and eventually become problems.

I know Nortons is crap. It has been known since 2005 but I have Mcafee on
my 32 bit Business Edition Vista (doesn't work on 64 bit ultimate) and
had it installed pre SP1 and it remains installed after SP1 with no
problems occurring.

Yet.

So when do YOU consider a problem SHOULD occur? I have had Mcafee on it
since before I got Vista. I got Vista the day it was publicly released. No
problems from that point onwards. How long do you think I should wait for
your fables to become reality?

Carey Frisch [MVP]

2008-04-24 23:39:30 UTC

Windows Vista Service Pack 1 is not available for installation
from Windows Update and is not offered by Automatic Updates:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=948343

Learn how to install Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1)
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/windows/en-us/Help/133c8953-c9cd-4fa5-8883-03e91bb6f2021033.mspx

Windows Vista Service Pack 1 Standalone (KB936330)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b0c7136d-5ebb-413b-89c9-cb3d06d12674&DisplayLang=en

Free SP1 technical support from Microsoft:
https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&x=8&y=7&prid=11274&gprid=500921
--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows System & Performance

---------------------------------------------------------------

"vivienrose" wrote:

My laptop will be 2 years old this August, I upgraded to 32 bit Vista Home
Premium, I still have not received the SP1 I do have McAfee. After reading
previous posts do you think this is a problem. Help!!!!

vivienrose

2008-04-25 16:14:00 UTC

Then I wonder how come my friends are getting it through automatic update,
maybe because their computer is newer then mine.

Post by Carey Frisch [MVP]
Windows Vista Service Pack 1 is not available for installation
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=948343
Learn how to install Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1)
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/windows/en-us/Help/133c8953-c9cd-4fa5-8883-03e91bb6f2021033.mspx
Windows Vista Service Pack 1 Standalone (KB936330)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b0c7136d-5ebb-413b-89c9-cb3d06d12674&DisplayLang=en
https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&x=8&y=7&prid=11274&gprid=500921
--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows System & Performance
---------------------------------------------------------------
My laptop will be 2 years old this August, I upgraded to 32 bit Vista Home
Premium, I still have not received the SP1 I do have McAfee. After reading
previous posts do you think this is a problem. Help!!!!

Carey Frisch [MVP]

2008-04-25 16:25:38 UTC

Microsoft is "throttling" the SP1 update. Not everyone
is going to be offered SP1 at the same time.
--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows System & Performance

---------------------------------------------------------------

"vivienrose" wrote:

Then I wonder how come my friends are getting it through automatic update,
maybe because their computer is newer then mine.

RandyM

2008-04-25 16:33:57 UTC

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:25:38 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"

Post by Carey Frisch [MVP]
Microsoft is "throttling" the SP1 update. Not everyone
is going to be offered SP1 at the same time.

I have had it for two weeks (I think), and I don't even RUN Vista yet.

I downloaded it for a friend who lives in the boonies and only has
dialup. Sent it to him on a CD on 4/14.

Adam Albright

2008-04-25 16:59:14 UTC

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:25:38 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"

Post by Carey Frisch [MVP]
Microsoft is "throttling" the SP1 update. Not everyone
is going to be offered SP1 at the same time.

Another moronic mindless statement from Carey.

You clueless dick. Anyone with Internet access can get the full Vista
SP1 file ANYTIME they want to.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=B0C7136D-5EBB-413B-89C9-CB3D06D12674&displaylang=en

Geez, are fanboys buffoons or what?

Carey Frisch [MVP]

2008-04-25 17:35:12 UTC

In my previous post, which obviously you did not
read thoroughly, I did provide a link to the standalone version
of SP1.
--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows System & Performance

---------------------------------------------------------------

"Adam Albright" wrote:

Sorry, I'm the clueless dick. Anyone with Internet access can get the full Vista
SP1 file ANYTIME they want to.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=B0C7136D-5EBB-413B-89C9-CB3D06D12674&displaylang=en

Geez, are fanboys buffoons or what?

______________________________________________________

Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM

2008-04-26 01:51:34 UTC

Post by RandyM
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:25:38 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"

Post by Carey Frisch [MVP]
Microsoft is "throttling" the SP1 update. Not everyone
is going to be offered SP1 at the same time.

Another moronic mindless statement from Carey.

Idiot!
Microsoft _is_ throttling the automatic updates and Windows Updates.

--
Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM
Do not reply with email

Adam Albright

2008-04-26 02:00:24 UTC

Post by Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:51:34 -0500, "Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM"

Post by RandyM
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:25:38 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"

Post by Carey Frisch [MVP]
Microsoft is "throttling" the SP1 update. Not everyone
is going to be offered SP1 at the same time.

Another moronic mindless statement from Carey.

Idiot!
Microsoft _is_ throttling the automatic updates and Windows Updates.

I was commenting on the misuse of the term throttling by the dope
Carey. Nice to see moronic MVP's kiss each other's ass no matter what.

Carey Frisch [MVP]

2008-04-26 02:28:33 UTC

Nice try but your redemption is limited by your inability to
offer intelligent, mature, and civilized conversation and apologies.
--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------

"Adam Albright" wrote:

I was commenting on the misuse of the term throttling by the dope
Carey. Nice to see moronic MVP's kiss each other's ass no matter what.

Drew

2008-04-26 03:23:39 UTC

Is there a bigger buffoon than Adam Al"dim" !! I do not think so !! Why
would you download and install a stand alone when there is clearly a reason
why it is not being offered ... My God you frickin Doofus I would expect
somebody who supposedly has computer experience to understand this.. Hey
Adam !! Get a frickin clue moron and try giving real advice instead of a
stupid reply like.. "Hey go get the full file and really screw up your
computer !!.." My advice to the op would be research as to why they are
not being offered SP1... I was not offered SP1 either but after a little
research I found the reason, cured it, and then was offered sp1 !!.. I
downloaded and installed it and now Vista even better than before !!
....Vista is FAR from perfect but it is rock solid and fast on this
machine...

Post by RandyM
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:25:38 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"

Post by Carey Frisch [MVP]
Microsoft is "throttling" the SP1 update. Not everyone
is going to be offered SP1 at the same time.

Another moronic mindless statement from Carey.
You clueless dick. Anyone with Internet access can get the full Vista
SP1 file ANYTIME they want to.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=B0C7136D-5EBB-413B-89C9-CB3D06D12674&displaylang=en
Geez, are fanboys buffoons or what?

Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM

2008-04-24 23:43:55 UTC

Uninstall McAfee before installing SP1.

--
Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM
Do not reply with email

t-4-2

2008-04-24 23:57:20 UTC

Post by vivienrose
My laptop will be 2 years old this August, I upgraded to 32 bit Vist
Hom
Premium, I still have not received the SP1 I do have McAfee. Afte
readin
previous posts do you think this is a problem. Help!!!

Hello Vivienrose
As of now Sp1 is not offered in Windows Update. Go to Vista Forum, New
section. There is a link to get you to MS for SP1
McAfee has nothing to do with it
Listen to Mark, if I were you. SP1 is supposed to fix the bugs tha
Vista has.Thing is the "bugs fixer" has bugs of it's own. If you
computer is running fine, I'll suggest that you'll wait till th
bugs-fixer is de-bugged
Should you insist to install SP1, remember : 64 for 64-bit, 86 fo
32-bit
Good luck

--
t-4-2

Grey

2008-04-28 21:20:21 UTC

Mcafee isn't the problem. You can go to Microsoft's web site and download
the SP1 update independently and apply it. I suggest updating all your
drivers before you do. It is often the reason you didn't get offered SP1.

Drew

2008-05-01 00:44:05 UTC

More often then not downloading the standalone will cause problems !!! As
for McAfee, always has been bloated crap and always will be !!!

Post by Grey
Mcafee isn't the problem. You can go to Microsoft's web site and download
the SP1 update independently and apply it. I suggest updating all your
drivers before you do. It is often the reason you didn't get offered SP1.

SthrnDixieCwgrl

2008-05-01 01:00:46 UTC

If you want to use a junk anti-virus software then use McAfee. I have
known it to be junk since 2002. I found this out when it would not
let me install the updates for it. The only way it would was to
uninstall the entire program and reinstall it and then the updates
would install. I had to do this everytime I needed to install an
update. I have not had issues with Norton Anti-Virus, Norton 360
v1.0, or Norton v.2.0 and it works better with Microsoft.

Post by Drew
More often then not downloading the standalone will cause problems !!! As
for McAfee, always has been bloated crap and always will be !!!

Post by vivienrose
My laptop will be 2 years old this August, I upgraded to 32 bit Vista Home
Premium, I still have not received the SP1 I do have McAfee. After
reading
previous posts do you think this is a problem. Help!!!!- Hide quoted text -

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Grey

2008-05-04 13:27:03 UTC

Wrong on SP1 stand alone causing problems. Two machines with Vista. No
problems. As to Mcafee, finds more viruses than any other and I have
repeatedly tried many of them (not all) and it still wins. If you don't like
it, fine. I like it for the fact that it is better than others. However,
having said that, I must admit AVG is ALMOST as good at finding them. Just
isn't AS good. Best thing about AVG is the price of course.

Post by Drew
More often then not downloading the standalone will cause problems !!! As
for McAfee, always has been bloated crap and always will be !!!

Nonny

2008-05-04 14:36:28 UTC

Post by Grey
As to Mcafee, finds more viruses than any other and I have
repeatedly tried many of them (not all) and it still wins. If you don't like
it, fine. I like it for the fact that it is better than others. However,
having said that, I must admit AVG is ALMOST as good at finding them.

How do you know any of that? Do you have a lot of experience with
catching a virus?

Grey

2008-05-05 11:01:45 UTC

Post by Nonny

How do you know any of that? Do you have a lot of experience with
catching a virus?

Yep. Constantly in fact. However, even though that is what I do I have only
found two unknown ones recently so I am not on the cutting edge so to speak.

Nonny

2008-05-05 15:59:49 UTC

Post by Nonny

How do you know any of that? Do you have a lot of experience with
catching a virus?

Yep. Constantly in fact. However, even though that is what I do I have only
found two unknown ones recently so I am not on the cutting edge so to speak.

Then you must be doing something VERY wrong..

I've been using PCs for almost 20 years - online 18 years, about 10
without using an anti-virus program.

I have NEVER had a virus infection and NEVER had a malware
infestation.

Alias

2008-05-05 16:13:15 UTC

How do you know any of that? Do you have a lot of experience with
catching a virus?

Yep. Constantly in fact. However, even though that is what I do I have only
found two unknown ones recently so I am not on the cutting edge so to speak.

Then you must be doing something VERY wrong..
I've been using PCs for almost 20 years - online 18 years, about 10
without using an anti-virus program.
I have NEVER had a virus infection and NEVER had a malware
infestation.

If you don't use an AV program, how do you know you're not infected?

Alias

Frank

2008-05-05 16:20:42 UTC

How do you know any of that? Do you have a lot of experience with
catching a virus?

Yep. Constantly in fact. However, even though that is what I do I
have only found two unknown ones recently so I am not on the cutting
edge so to speak.

Then you must be doing something VERY wrong..
I've been using PCs for almost 20 years - online 18 years, about 10
without using an anti-virus program.
I have NEVER had a virus infection and NEVER had a malware
infestation.

If you don't use an AV program, how do you know you're not infected?
Alias

That would be you and all the rest of the linux losers...er, users!...LOL!
Frank

Alias

2008-05-05 16:25:04 UTC

How do you know any of that? Do you have a lot of experience with
catching a virus?

Yep. Constantly in fact. However, even though that is what I do I
have only found two unknown ones recently so I am not on the cutting
edge so to speak.

Then you must be doing something VERY wrong..
I've been using PCs for almost 20 years - online 18 years, about 10
without using an anti-virus program.
I have NEVER had a virus infection and NEVER had a malware
infestation.

If you don't use an AV program, how do you know you're not infected?
Alias

That would be you and all the rest of the linux losers...er, users!...LOL!
Frank

Read your post again. It makes no sense. Are you losing it, Frank?

Alias

Frank

2008-05-05 16:30:53 UTC

How do you know any of that? Do you have a lot of experience with
catching a virus?

Yep. Constantly in fact. However, even though that is what I do I
have only found two unknown ones recently so I am not on the
cutting edge so to speak.

Then you must be doing something VERY wrong..
I've been using PCs for almost 20 years - online 18 years, about 10
without using an anti-virus program.
I have NEVER had a virus infection and NEVER had a malware
infestation.

If you don't use an AV program, how do you know you're not infected?
Alias

That would be you and all the rest of the linux losers...er,
users!...LOL!
Frank

Read your post again. It makes no sense. Are you losing it, Frank?
Alias

So it went over your little pointy, empty head, huh?
Figures...everyone act really surprised!...LOL!
Loser!
Frank

measekite

2008-05-05 19:15:59 UTC

How do you know any of that? Do you have a lot of experience with
catching a virus?

Yep. Constantly in fact. However, even though that is what I do I
have only found two unknown ones recently so I am not on the
cutting edge so to speak.

Then you must be doing something VERY wrong..
I've been using PCs for almost 20 years - online 18 years, about 10
without using an anti-virus program.
I have NEVER had a virus infection and NEVER had a malware
infestation.

If you don't use an AV program, how do you know you're not infected?
Alias

That would be you and all the rest of the linux losers...er,
users!...LOL!
Frank

All anybody needs to do to know he is infected is to read his postings.

AHHHH ha ha ha ha

Not Me

2008-05-06 00:48:46 UTC

How do you know any of that? Do you have a lot of experience with
catching a virus?

Yep. Constantly in fact. However, even though that is what I do I have
only found two unknown ones recently so I am not on the cutting edge
so to speak.

Then you must be doing something VERY wrong..
I've been using PCs for almost 20 years - online 18 years, about 10
without using an anti-virus program.
I have NEVER had a virus infection and NEVER had a malware
infestation.

If you don't use an AV program, how do you know you're not infected?
Alias

That would be you and all the rest of the linux losers...er,
users!...LOL!
Frank

All anybody needs to do to know he is infected is to read his postings.
AHHHH ha ha ha ha

I didn't know you could catch mad cow (or is it sheep) disease
online...guess I learned something new today!

Grey

2008-05-06 04:15:43 UTC

How do you know any of that? Do you have a lot of experience with
catching a virus?

Yep. Constantly in fact. However, even though that is what I do I have only
found two unknown ones recently so I am not on the cutting edge so to speak.

Then you must be doing something VERY wrong..
I've been using PCs for almost 20 years - online 18 years, about 10
without using an anti-virus program.
I have NEVER had a virus infection and NEVER had a malware
infestation.

That would be the one you never turned on no doubt.

I work in the industry. I am constantly repairing mistakes people make.
However, having said that, you CAN click on an innocuous link that is
actually there to attempt to infect your machine and you can do that from a
Google search, too. So, if you haven't been infected already, don't be
unhappy. If you don't have antivirus protection then the chances are that
you just don't KNOW you are infected!

Nonny

2008-05-06 05:27:04 UTC

Post by Nonny
I've been using PCs for almost 20 years - online 18 years, about 10
without using an anti-virus program.
I have NEVER had a virus infection and NEVER had a malware
infestation.

That would be the one you never turned on no doubt.
I work in the industry. I am constantly repairing mistakes people make.
However, having said that, you CAN click on an innocuous link that is
actually there to attempt to infect your machine and you can do that from a
Google search, too. So, if you haven't been infected already, don't be
unhappy. If you don't have antivirus protection then the chances are that
you just don't KNOW you are infected!

I've been using an a-v program for the past 6 or 7 years.

Grey

2008-05-08 10:05:32 UTC

Post by Nonny

Post by Nonny
I've been using PCs for almost 20 years - online 18 years, about 10
without using an anti-virus program.
I have NEVER had a virus infection and NEVER had a malware
infestation.

That would be the one you never turned on no doubt.
I work in the industry. I am constantly repairing mistakes people make.
However, having said that, you CAN click on an innocuous link that is
actually there to attempt to infect your machine and you can do that from a
Google search, too. So, if you haven't been infected already, don't be
unhappy. If you don't have antivirus protection then the chances are that
you just don't KNOW you are infected!

I've been using an a-v program for the past 6 or 7 years.

Thanks. I'll report that to Osama right away!

Mark

2008-05-04 14:45:41 UTC

You may be interested in this report, McAfee is near the bottom.

http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse/report17.pdf

Mark

Post by Grey
Wrong on SP1 stand alone causing problems. Two machines with Vista. No
problems. As to Mcafee, finds more viruses than any other and I have
repeatedly tried many of them (not all) and it still wins. If you don't
like it, fine. I like it for the fact that it is better than others.
However, having said that, I must admit AVG is ALMOST as good at finding
them. Just isn't AS good. Best thing about AVG is the price of course.

Post by Drew
More often then not downloading the standalone will cause problems !!! As
for McAfee, always has been bloated crap and always will be !!!

Post by Grey
Mcafee isn't the problem. You can go to Microsoft's web site and
download the SP1 update independently and apply it. I suggest updating
all your drivers before you do. It is often the reason you didn't get
offered SP1.

Dave

2008-05-04 15:14:28 UTC

Post by Mark
You may be interested in this report, McAfee is near the bottom.
http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse/report17.pdf
Mark

The trouble with that outfit is they are funded by the anti-virus software companies.

Quote from 'About us':

AV-comparatives.org tests mainly on behalf of the vendors, but also (very rarely) for third-parties (like magazines,
etc.).
The project was founded and is coordinated by Andreas Clementi.
The Innsbrucker Kompetenzzentrum and several other technically skilled peoples are working for AV-Comparatives.
Since 2008, AV-Comparatives does no longer provide its services for free.

Mark

2008-05-04 15:51:21 UTC

I doubt their findings are anything but true. I do not have a lot of
experience with viruses, but I have seen 2 machines get infected and totally
trashed. They were using McAfee.

Mark

Post by Dave

Post by Mark
You may be interested in this report, McAfee is near the bottom.
http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse/report17.pdf
Mark

The trouble with that outfit is they are funded by the anti-virus software companies.
AV-comparatives.org tests mainly on behalf of the vendors, but also (very
rarely) for third-parties (like magazines, etc.).
The project was founded and is coordinated by Andreas Clementi.
The Innsbrucker Kompetenzzentrum and several other technically skilled
peoples are working for AV-Comparatives.
Since 2008, AV-Comparatives does no longer provide its services for free.

Grey

2008-05-05 11:24:25 UTC

In my own experience, I haven't and I have seen a hell of a lot of different
viruses.

Post by Mark
I doubt their findings are anything but true. I do not have a lot of
experience with viruses, but I have seen 2 machines get infected and
totally trashed. They were using McAfee.
Mark

Post by Dave

Post by Mark
You may be interested in this report, McAfee is near the bottom.
http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse/report17.pdf
Mark

Marc

2008-05-06 20:11:28 UTC

Post by Mark
I doubt their findings are anything but true. I do not have a lot of
experience with viruses, but I have seen 2 machines get infected and
totally trashed. They were using McAfee.

McAfee is bloatware - don't know how effective it is, the last time I let it
loose on my own PC was sometime in 1998, for all of 10 minutes! Still, it
won't go away - the PC industry relies too heavily on selling customers up
to high margin products like this when they purchase a new PC.

Marc

Grey

2008-05-08 10:06:10 UTC

You need to update your knowledge if you haven't bothered since 1998 then.

Post by Marc

Post by Mark
I doubt their findings are anything but true. I do not have a lot of
experience with viruses, but I have seen 2 machines get infected and
totally trashed. They were using McAfee.

McAfee is bloatware - don't know how effective it is, the last time I let
it loose on my own PC was sometime in 1998, for all of 10 minutes! Still,
it won't go away - the PC industry relies too heavily on selling customers
up to high margin products like this when they purchase a new PC.
Marc

Grey

2008-05-05 11:23:01 UTC

I read everything I can about AV progs. I also don't agree with a fair bit
of reports. The proof is not what someone tells you is so but what you do to
prove it is so. My job is finding and getting rid of viruses (as well as a
few other things) and as a result I am constantly having to stop and compare
AVs when I find something that is either new or hard to remove to see if one
actually does a better job. This means keeping the actual image and trying
something else to get rid of it. I normally DO start with AVG and yes from
time to time even try to see if Nortons has improved (it hasn't) and once
AVG is done, I try others. Mcafee consistently finds about 4 (on average)
more items than anything else. So, I rely on my own findings, not what
others tell me in reports - though I do try to read all their reports.

Post by Mark
You may be interested in this report, McAfee is near the bottom.
http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse/report17.pdf
Mark

Post by Drew
More often then not downloading the standalone will cause problems !!!
As for McAfee, always has been bloated crap and always will be !!!

Post by Grey
Mcafee isn't the problem. You can go to Microsoft's web site and
download the SP1 update independently and apply it. I suggest updating
all your drivers before you do. It is often the reason you didn't get
offered SP1.

Nonny

2008-05-05 16:00:39 UTC

Post by Grey
I read everything I can about AV progs. I also don't agree with a fair bit
of reports. The proof is not what someone tells you is so but what you do to
prove it is so. My job is finding and getting rid of viruses

That explains it.

Drew

2008-05-09 00:26:11 UTC

Obviously you are not too intelligent if you even get viruses in the first
place !!!...and once again as for the stand alone, If sp1 is not available
on windows update for people there is a reason !! (drivers ,,missing
updates,, conflicts and many other possibilities so if you download it
anyways you are going to have problems more often then not...pretty simple
english to understand...Mcafee is CRAP always HAS been and always WILL be
!!!

Post by Drew
More often then not downloading the standalone will cause problems !!! As
for McAfee, always has been bloated crap and always will be !!!

Post by Grey
Mcafee isn't the problem. You can go to Microsoft's web site and
download the SP1 update independently and apply it. I suggest updating
all your drivers before you do. It is often the reason you didn't get
offered SP1.

Grey

2008-05-10 09:16:19 UTC